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World Subud Association Proposition: Testing for Committee Work ( 2003 Reads )
Posted by Mirwin
Wednesday, February 13, 2002
Criticize, praise or ignore the following proposition:
"The verbal results of helper testing about committee business are to be treated as opinions."
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Re: Proposition: Testing for Committee Work

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by hamid_kennedy (hamid_kennedy@hotmail.com) on Feb 18, 2002 - 06:07 AM
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How can they be opinions if they have been received from Almighty God? :o).

But seriously surely we have all tested something which comes back differently to how we ourselves might have responded? Therefore helpers comments as a result of testing can't really be seen as opinions. They have after all been tested into these positions in order that they may assist the Committee - I'm assuming that the committee originally asked the helpers to test the questions asked?

I understand the point that sometimes helpers 'receivings' seem the same as their own personal opinions but you have to be able to distinquish through your own receiving.

The way to do this is to feel within yourself whether the point they are making is coming from the right place. You will of course have to ensure that you quieten yourself so that you don't allow your own feelings to influence you - all of which is a good thing when discussing things at committee level.

I rather like Daniel S's technique of asking for a minute of quiet when things get a bit heated. But that's another point.

Re: Proposition: Testing for Committee Work

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by Mirwin (-) on Jun 28, 2004 - 05:08 AM
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A propos: The following is taken from ZONE7@yahoogroups. From Hanafi Hayes about this subject. Much as I hate "quoting Bapak", he did warn us!

from Bapak; taken from Pewarta Special Supplement no 7 page 135.

TESTING AND WORLDLY MATTERS

“If we receive something from within we are still not sure whether this something is right or not. We cannot immediately assume that this is something from God, because there are within us so many other things which are from a lower source.

So, therefore, when it comes to making decisions about ordinary things in the outer world, then it is also right to take these decisions in an ordinary way – that is, just by thinking about them in the normal way, using the apparatus that we have been given by God Almighty for living in this world.

If we always have the feeling, or if we nurture the feeling within ourselves that no matter what we want to do we must get God’s permission first, this will actually not bring us a situation which is light and free and open – but, on the contrary, it will bring us into a state that is more and more dark and confused.

So Bapak really advises you, in this case, when it comes to making decisions about practical matters, to do it in a normal way and not to do too much testing – because, as Bapak just said, this will not make you feel lighter and more open and more clear within yourself but, on the contrary, will bring you into a state of darkness.”