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Post subject:
 Posted: Jul 31, 2005 - 03:21 AM
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Divinely Inspired
Joined: Sep 17, 2002
Posts: 93
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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To The Wisma Submarine, thank-you for having such concern about the spiritual well-being of others – to provide guidance about God’s ultimate, one true culture – representing the right attitude and pattern of behaviour for all people.
Till now, I thought that preaching in a Subud forum was inappropriate. Consequently, I found the words of The Wisma Submarine delightful. But I feel there is more that should be explained about sexual relationships outside of marriage.
I am likewise concerned that many people do not share the truth. And believe it or not, many people who share the truth still ignore it, even Subud members! So, what I am about to say is purely for their benefit, because I care about their souls.
To begin with, I must point out that God’s one true culture is not completely flexible. It does not allow for any old excuses or unlimited, arbitrary exceptions. Therefore, deviations from it could, quite possibly, produce dire consequences!
With this in mind, you need to be wary of any sexual excitement whatsoever that you encounter outside of marriage – even for one second, even if it happens accidentally – as it could be an extremely dangerous influence!
In this regard, we should follow the example of our ancestors, particularly those who hunted mammoths in what is now Uzbekistan, between 850 and 900 generations ago, whose attitude towards sex was practically ideal! In modern, western culture, sexual behaviour is typically against God’s Will. It is therefore doomed.
Furthermore, a proper marriage exists only if both partners are human. Under no circumstances should you consider marrying a plant or an animal – no matter how much affection you feel towards your cat, for instance! If you do marry your cat, then you should not have sex with it, since that would be outside of proper marriage.
I have directly experienced the truth of these matters. If you don’t believe me, then go ahead and test, and you will find that I am right. If not, then test again!
May God be with you – or as they say, good luck!
Merin
a.k.a. The Wisma Dirigible |
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Posted: Jul 31, 2005 - 02:17 PM
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Newbie
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
Posts: 4
Location: In a Wisma Submarine
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I thought I made it clear I was only speaking of my own experiences in my last post. And for those that are confused on this issue I think it is a good idea to test and test again.
Also could you please re-post and clarify what you said because it made absolutley no sense what-so-ever to me. Forgive me for my ignorance but please feel free to enlighten. |
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Posted: Aug 02, 2005 - 02:13 PM
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Divinely Inspired
Joined: Sep 17, 2002
Posts: 93
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Dear The Wisma Submarine,
My posting was deliberately ridiculous, because it's a parody. It's in response to your previous posting, which I found 'preachy' -- despite your assurance. This is something that I find objectionable in certain situations, such as a Subud forum, especially when its authorship is unidentifiable in any way.
I think preachiness comes across in 'how' things are said, not just 'what' things are said. Your posting could have used more diplomatic phrases such as "I believe..." or "in my opinion..." (which occurred once).
It is nice to know that you're speaking on the basis of your own experiences -- but (in my experience)people can have very deep experiences in common while interpreting those experiences in amazingly different ways.
And this is nothing personal, but one of my pet hates is being told what I should test about.
As for pet loves, I have actually slept with my cat. Alas, the relationship is purely platonic.
Regards,
Merin |
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Posted: Aug 15, 2005 - 04:02 AM
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Newbie
Joined: Jul 29, 2005
Posts: 4
Location: In a Wisma Submarine
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Merin,
Sorry if it came of "preachy". I guess the weakness of typed opinions is that you really only get half the message. I do hope you can allow me some slack in the future as perhaps I am not so good at expressing myself in typed form.
Regarding the topic of this thread, I do believe we need to take a look at our attitudes to premarital relations. Especially in the west. And I respect Ibu Ruhayu for bringing it up as it is obviously a concern. And I have often read in Bapaks talks how he emphasised the point of "true culture". That wich trancends the culture influenced by the material world and that which is of far more importance in our spiritual and material lives.
I would hardly call North American media culture, with it's ability to convince us of sex without consiquence, culture at all. I like to call it anti-culture. That which arrises from our desires, not our true nature, or that which should be the master of our house. The jiwa.
As for my own experience, I have found myself proverbaly slapped on the back of the head many times because of my ignorance towards the true culture of sexual relations. And often find in my studies that cultures of old had a much better understanding of this. |
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